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The Bethel delegation and the question of fasting; Zechariah's answer (4/IX, Darius year 4)

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Human review pending. 4 items from this dossier are awaiting the project owner's review: “Proposed fulfillment (Jeremiah's seventy years): Babylonian supremacy: c. 609/605 to 539/538 BC” (queued 2026-10-13, status open). “Proposed fulfillment (Jeremiah's seventy years): Desolation of the Temple: 587/586 to 516/515 BC” (queued 2026-10-13, status open). “Proposed fulfillment (Jeremiah's seventy years): The land's sabbaths, ended by Cyrus's decree (Chronicler)” (queued 2026-10-13, status open). “Proposed fulfillment (Zech 8 restoration): Fulfilled ultimately in the Messiah's future (millennial) reign in Jerusalem” (queued 2026-10-13, status open). All classifications on this page are machine-proposed unless marked otherwise. Review happens offline. This site has no review controls.

Biblical references

Text: World English Bible (public domain). The ESV and NKJV are the preferred study translations and are referenced, not reproduced.

Zechariah 7:1–8:23Narration
1 In the fourth year of King Darius, the LORD’s word came to Zechariah in the fourth day of the ninth month, the month of Chislev. 2 The people of Bethel sent Sharezer and Regem Melech and their men to entreat the LORD’s favor, 3 and to speak to the priests of the house of the LORD of Armies and to the prophets, saying, “Should I weep in the fifth month, separating myself, as I have done these so many years?” 4 Then the word of the LORD of Armies came to me, saying, 5 “Speak to all the people of the land and to the priests, saying, ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and in the seventh month for these seventy years, did you at all fast to me, really to me? 6 When you eat and when you drink, don’t you eat for yourselves and drink for yourselves? 7 Aren’t these the words which the LORD proclaimed by the former prophets when Jerusalem was inhabited and in prosperity, and its cities around her, and the South and the lowland were inhabited?’” 8 The LORD’s word came to Zechariah, saying, 9 “Thus has the LORD of Armies spoken, saying, ‘Execute true judgment, and show kindness and compassion every man to his brother. 10 Don’t oppress the widow, the fatherless, the foreigner, nor the poor; and let none of you devise evil against his brother in your heart.’ 11 But they refused to listen, and turned their backs, and stopped their ears, that they might not hear. 12 Yes, they made their hearts as hard as flint, lest they might hear the law and the words which the LORD of Armies had sent by his Spirit by the former prophets. Therefore great wrath came from the LORD of Armies. 13 It has come to pass that, as he called and they refused to listen, so they will call and I will not listen,” said the LORD of Armies; 14 “but I will scatter them with a whirlwind among all the nations which they have not known. Thus the land was desolate after them, so that no man passed through nor returned; for they made the pleasant land desolate.” 1 The word of the LORD of Armies came to me. 2 The LORD of Armies says: “I am jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I am jealous for her with great wrath.” 3 The LORD says: “I have returned to Zion, and will dwell in the middle of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called ‘The City of Truth;’ and the mountain of the LORD of Armies, ‘The Holy Mountain.’” 4 The LORD of Armies says: “Old men and old women will again dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, every man with his staff in his hand because of their old age. 5 The streets of the city will be full of boys and girls playing in its streets.” 6 The LORD of Armies says: “If it is marvelous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in those days, should it also be marvelous in my eyes?” says the LORD of Armies. 7 The LORD of Armies says: “Behold, I will save my people from the east country and from the west country. 8 I will bring them, and they will dwell within Jerusalem. They will be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.” 9 The LORD of Armies says: “Let your hands be strong, you who hear in these days these words from the mouth of the prophets who were in the day that the foundation of the house of the LORD of Armies was laid, even the temple, that it might be built. 10 For before those days there was no wages for man nor any wages for an animal, neither was there any peace to him who went out or came in, because of the adversary. For I set all men everyone against his neighbor. 11 But now I will not be to the remnant of this people as in the former days,” says the LORD of Armies. 12 “For the seed of peace and the vine will yield its fruit, and the ground will give its increase, and the heavens will give their dew. I will cause the remnant of this people to inherit all these things. 13 It shall come to pass that, as you were a curse among the nations, house of Judah and house of Israel, so I will save you, and you shall be a blessing. Don’t be afraid. Let your hands be strong.” 14 For the LORD of Armies says: “As I thought to do evil to you when your fathers provoked me to wrath,” says the LORD of Armies, “and I didn’t repent, 15 so again I have thought in these days to do good to Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. Don’t be afraid. 16 These are the things that you shall do: speak every man the truth with his neighbor. Execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates, 17 and let none of you devise evil in your hearts against his neighbor, and love no false oath; for all these are things that I hate,” says the LORD. 18 The word of the LORD of Armies came to me. 19 The LORD of Armies says: “The fasts of the fourth, fifth, seventh, and tenth months shall be for the house of Judah joy, gladness, and cheerful feasts. Therefore love truth and peace.” 20 The LORD of Armies says: “Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come. 21 The inhabitants of one will go to another, saying, ‘Let’s go speedily to entreat the favor of the LORD, and to seek the LORD of Armies. I will go also.’ 22 Yes, many peoples and strong nations will come to seek the LORD of Armies in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the LORD.” 23 The LORD of Armies says: “In those days, ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold of the skirt of him who is a Jew, saying, ‘We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”

Connection: The fast of the tenth month — the siege begun on 10 Tebeth (2 Kgs 25:1). (confidence: high)

Connection: The fast of the fourth month — the breach on 9 Tammuz (2 Kgs 25:3–4). (confidence: high)

Connection: The fast of the fifth month — the burning of the Temple (2 Kgs 25:8–9). (confidence: high)

Connection: The fast of the seventh month — Gedaliah's murder (2 Kgs 25:25), by Jewish tradition. (confidence: high)

Connection: "These seventy years" of fasting (7:5) — the second use in Zechariah (cf. 1:12). (confidence: high)

Connection: The restoration oracles of chapter 8. (confidence: high)

Biblical account

Layer: Biblical text

On 4 Chislev of Darius's fourth year Bethel sent Sharezer and Regem-melech to ask the priests and prophets whether to weep in the fifth month as they had for so many years. The LORD asked whether their fasts in the fifth and seventh months these seventy years had been for him, recalled the former prophets' call to justice and mercy and the scattering that followed refusal, then promised to return to Zion, fill Jerusalem with old and young, bless the work begun since the foundation, and turn the fasts of the 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th months into feasts, with the nations seeking the LORD in Jerusalem.

Historical overview

Layer: Historical reconstruction · Period: November–December 518 BC

Mitchell dates the delegation to 518, "more than two years after work was begun on the temple", and notes that Darius's fourth year was the sixty-ninth after the destruction of Jerusalem. Guzik gives "December 4, 518", apparently equating the 4th day of the 9th month with 4 December; on Babylonian reckoning Chislev of that year fell in November–December.[1, 2, 3]

Kingdoms: Achaemenid Persian Empire, Kingdom of Judah

Date and chronology derivation

Ranges are computed by the project's deterministic chronology engine from the biblical statements and each model's reign anchors. They are reconstructions, not independent dates.

518 BC – 517 BC

Model-independent (applies under every chronology model) · precision: regnal year

How this range was derived

Earliest bound

  1. “In the fourth year of King Darius … the fourth day of the ninth month, the month of Chislev” — The Bethel delegation and the question of fasting; Zechariah's answer (4/IX, Darius year 4) in regnal year reign of Darius I (the Great) (year 4) [reckoned accession, nisan new year] (Zechariah 7:1)[2]Assumption: Babylonian Nisan-based regnal years: year 4 began 11 April 518 (Parker & Dubberstein table); Chislev (month IX) fell in November–December 518. The day-level date is not computed.

Latest bound

  1. “In the fourth year of King Darius … the fourth day of the ninth month, the month of Chislev” — The Bethel delegation and the question of fasting; Zechariah's answer (4/IX, Darius year 4) in regnal year reign of Darius I (the Great) (year 4) [reckoned accession, nisan new year] (Zechariah 7:1)[2]Assumption: Babylonian Nisan-based regnal years: year 4 began 11 April 518 (Parker & Dubberstein table); Chislev (month IX) fell in November–December 518. The day-level date is not computed.

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What else was happening? (model-independent)

  • Daniel's refusal of the king's food and the ten-day test (Dan 1:8–16): 606 BC – ?
  • Nebuchadnezzar's golden image on the plain of Dura (Dan 3:1–7): 603 BC – ?
  • Nebuchadnezzar's decree honouring the God of the three Judeans (Dan 3:28–30): 603 BC – ?
  • The refusal of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and the fiery furnace (Dan 3:8–27): 603 BC – ?
  • The thirty-day decree and Daniel in the lions' den (Dan 6:4–23): 539 BC – ?
  • Darius appoints 120 satraps and three chief officials (Dan 6:1–3, 28): 539 BC – ?
  • The accusers punished; Darius's decree honouring the God of Daniel (Dan 6:24–27): 539 BC – ?
  • Darius I (the Great) (reign): 522 BC – 486 BC
  • Darius I confirms Cyrus's decree and orders the Temple completed (Ezra 6:1–12): 520 BC – 515 BC
  • Gedaliah governs from Mizpah and is assassinated (2 Kgs 25:22–26): 589 BC – ?
  • Tattenai governor of Beyond the River inquires and writes to Darius (Ezra 5:3–17): 520 BC – 515 BC
  • Accusations to Ahasuerus and the Rehum–Shimshai letter to Artaxerxes; the city's rebuilding stopped (Ezra 4:6–23): 537 BC – ?
  • Crowns made from the exiles' gifts and set on Joshua; the oracle of the Branch (Zech 6:9–15): 520 BC – 515 BC
  • The first "burden" of Zechariah 9–11 (undated oracle collection): 518 BC – ?
  • The second "burden" of Zechariah 12–14 (undated oracle collection): 518 BC – ?

Ancient and modern geography

Location confidence assumes the event as described. Whether it occurred is assessed in the claims below.

PlaceConnection to this eventLocation identification
BethelBeitinHome of the delegation (if a place-name)Location confidence: probableBeitin (Pleiades 260940008): probable[4]
JerusalemJerusalem (Old City / City of David)Temple where the question was putLocation confidence: certainPleiades representative point: certain[5]

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Claims, evidence and classifications

Each claim is classified on its own. A classification describes the evidence for that specific claim, not for the event as a whole.

The Bethel delegation came in Chislev of Darius I's fourth year (November–December 518 BC).

Historically plausibleMachine-proposedHistorical reconstruction

The superscription dates it; Parker and Dubberstein's table starts year 4 on 11 April 518, so Chislev fell in November–December 518; Mitchell agrees on 518. Guzik's "December 4" appears to read the day of the Hebrew month as a Julian day and is not adopted.

Supporting

  • Year 4 began 11 April 518.[2]Strength: direct·table, Darius I year 4·Claim checked
  • The fourth year of Darius, that is, 518 B.C.; the fourth of the ninth month.[1]Strength: indirect·pp. 194–195·Claim checked

Context

  • "December 4, 518 B.C."[3]Strength: indirect·on 7:1·Claim checked

Limitations of this classification: Day-level Julian conversion not read from the table.

Research date 2026-10-13

The four fasts of Zech 8:19 commemorated the start of the siege (10th month), the breach (4th), the burning of the Temple (5th) and the murder of Gedaliah (7th).

Historically plausibleMachine-proposedHistorical reconstruction

The months match the dates in 2 Kgs 25 and Jer 39; 52 for the siege, breach and burning; the seventh-month link to Gedaliah (2 Kgs 25:25) rests on Jewish tradition, as Keil states. The text of Zechariah itself does not name the events.

Supporting

  • Fasts in the 5th month (Temple burned), 7th (Gedaliah, by Jewish tradition), 4th (the conquest, 9 Tammuz), 10th (the siege begun).[6]Strength: indirect·pp. 305–306·Claim checked
  • Fifth-month fast for the Temple (2 Kgs 25:8–9); seventh for Gedaliah.[3]Strength: indirect·on 7:3, 7:5·Claim checked

Limitations of this classification: The Jewish traditions behind the day of each fast were not read in their sources.

Research date 2026-10-13

Evidence by type

The same evidence regrouped by kind of source. Each item names the claims it bears on.

Archaeological evidence

None recorded for this event.

Scientific findings

None recorded for this event.

Ancient documents

None recorded for this event.

Modern news and announcements

None recorded for this event.

Reference works and summaries

Historical disputes and competing reconstructions

  • The four fasts and the events they commemorated

    C. F. Keil (1868), partly from Jewish tradition; D. Guzik

    4th month (9 Tammuz): the breach; 5th month: the burning of the Temple; 7th month: Gedaliah's murder (by tradition the 3rd); 10th month (10 Tebeth): the start of the siege.[3, 6]

FromRelationshipToBasis
this eventDirect referencehigh · InterpretationThe final siege of Jerusalem begins (10/X of Zedekiah's ninth year)The fast of the tenth month — the siege begun on 10 Tebeth (2 Kgs 25:1).[6]
this eventDirect referencehigh · InterpretationThe breach of Jerusalem and Zedekiah's capture at Riblah (9/IV of Zedekiah's 11th year)The fast of the fourth month — the breach on 9 Tammuz (2 Kgs 25:3–4).[6]
this eventDirect referencehigh · InterpretationNebuzaradan burns the Temple and Jerusalem (5th month of Nebuchadnezzar's 19th year)The fast of the fifth month — the burning of the Temple (2 Kgs 25:8–9).[6]
this eventDirect referencehigh · InterpretationGedaliah governs from Mizpah and is assassinated (2 Kgs 25:22–26)The fast of the seventh month — Gedaliah's murder (2 Kgs 25:25), by Jewish tradition.[6]
this eventDirect referencehigh · Biblical textJeremiah's seventy years (Jer 25:11–12; 29:10; read in Dan 9:2)"These seventy years" of fasting (7:5) — the second use in Zechariah (cf. 1:12).
this eventDirect referencehigh · Biblical textJerusalem restored; fasts become feasts; the nations seek the LORD (Zech 8)The restoration oracles of chapter 8.
this eventThematic parallelmedium · Biblical textIsaiah 58:3–7Fasting without justice rebuked.
this eventThematic parallelhigh · Biblical textHaggai 2:15–19Blessing dated from the day the foundation was laid (Zech 8:9–12; Hag 2:18–19).

Prophetic relationships

No prophecy or proposed-fulfillment relationships have been recorded for this event.

Vision content and interpretations

The symbolic content of a vision is not a historical occurrence. Identifications the text itself makes are marked as such. Every other reading is an interpretation, attributed to its proponents and labelled by approach. Proposed fulfillments await owner review and are never presented as established fact.

Jeremiah's seventy years (Jer 25:11–12; 29:10; read in Dan 9:2) (Jeremiah 25:11–12)

The nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years; when they are completed Babylon will be punished (Jer 25:11–12) and the exiles visited and returned (29:10). Daniel reads it as seventy years "for the desolations of Jerusalem" (Dan 9:2).

In the text: Later biblical texts apply it differently: 2 Chr 36:21–22 to the land's sabbath rest until the kingdom of Persia and Cyrus's first year; Zech 1:12 (Darius's second year) to "these seventy years" of indignation against Jerusalem; Dan 9:24 extends it to seventy weeks.

  • Babylonian supremacy: c. 609/605 to 539/538 BC

    PreteristHistorical-critical and conservativeMachine-proposedIn owner review queueProponents: S. R. Driver (1900): "the 70 years of the Chaldaean supremacy"; D. Guzik (counting from 605, the first deportation)

    Textual reasoning: Jer 25:11 speaks of the nations serving the king of Babylon; 25:12 ends the period with Babylon's punishment. Historical evidence: Babylon fell in Oct 539 (Nabonidus Chronicle) and Cyrus's first Babylonian year began Nisan 538. Objection: 605–539 is 66 years, so "seventy" is taken as round or the end point moved later (Guzik: the period still had "three or four years" to run at Dan 9).[8, 9]

    Seventy years → From Babylon's rise over Judah to its fall

  • Desolation of the Temple: 587/586 to 516/515 BC

    PreteristInner-biblical reading (Zechariah); patristicMachine-proposedIn owner review queueProponents: Zechariah 1:12; 7:5 (text, in Darius I's 2nd and 4th years); Jerome ("seventy years for the desolation of the Temple")

    Textual reasoning: in Darius I's second year (Zech 1:7, 12) the angel still speaks of "these seventy years" of indignation against Jerusalem, and the Temple was finished in Darius's sixth year (Ezra 6:15). From the destruction (587/586) to the completion (Adar 515) is about 70 years (operator arithmetic). Objection: Jeremiah's own wording is about serving Babylon, not the Temple.[2, 10]

    Seventy years → From the Temple's destruction to its rebuilding

  • The land's sabbaths, ended by Cyrus's decree (Chronicler)

    PreteristInner-biblical reading (Chronicles)Machine-proposedIn owner review queueProponents: 2 Chronicles 36:20–22 (text); S. R. Driver (on Dan 9:2 and 9:24); D. Guzik (2 Chronicles 36)

    The Chronicler joins Jeremiah's seventy years to the land enjoying its sabbaths (Lev 26:34–35) "until the reign of the kingdom of Persia", and dates Cyrus's proclamation to his first year "that the LORD's word by Jeremiah's mouth might be accomplished". Driver notes that Dan 9:24 develops this sabbatical reading into seventy weeks of years. Guzik: about 490 years of neglected sabbath years left the land owing seventy, collected in the exile; he gives no start or end year.[8, 11]

    Seventy years → The land's sabbath rest until Cyrus

Jerusalem restored; fasts become feasts; the nations seek the LORD (Zech 8) (Zechariah 8:1–23)

The LORD will return to Zion; old and young will fill Jerusalem's streets; he will gather his people from east and west; the seed will prosper; the fasts of the 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th months will become feasts; many peoples will come to seek the LORD in Jerusalem, and ten men from the nations will grasp a Jew's robe saying "God is with you".

In the text: The text gives no time-frame beyond "in those days" (8:23).

  • Fulfilled ultimately in the Messiah's future (millennial) reign in Jerusalem

    FuturistDispensationalMachine-proposedIn owner review queueProponents: D. Guzik; C. L. Feinberg (as cited by Barker, via Guzik)

    Textual reasoning: nations streaming to Jerusalem and the gathering of Israel exceed anything in the Persian period. Objection: the passage also addresses the builders of 518 directly (8:9–13).[7]

    Ten men grasping a Jew's robe → The nations drawn to Israel in the Messiah's reign

  • The nations come to God through the Jew Jesus (Christian, spiritual fulfilment)

    IdealistTraditional ChristianProponents: J. M. Boice (via Guzik)

    Textual reasoning: "a Jew" read of Christ, through whom the nations approach God. Objection: the plural "Jews" context (8:13, 23) speaks of the people.[7]

    A Jew → Jesus of Nazareth

Commentary references

Layer: Interpretation. This is commentary, not historical evidence.

Guzik reads the answer as a rebuke of self-pitying ritual and a call to everyday obedience.[3]

Guzik sees the nations seeking the LORD in Jerusalem as fulfilled in the Messiah's millennial reign.[7]

Unanswered questions and research gaps

  • Rabbinic sources on the four fasts not read.
  • "Bethel" in 7:2: the sending town, or part of the name "Bethel-sharezer" (Mitchell discusses the translations).

Research process

2 logged searches
DateQueryWhereUseful
2026-10-13Enduring Word Zechariah 7–8web fetch2
2026-10-13Mitchell ICC pp. 194–200; Keil Minor Prophets pp. 304–307 (archive.org); P&D tablelocal text3

Sources

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    Mitchell, Hinckley G., Smith, J. M. P., Bewer, J. A.. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi and Jonah (International Critical Commentary). T. & T. Clark / Scribner, 1912. archive.orgClaim checkedScholarly commentaryRead through the Internet Archive OCR text. Haggai and Zechariah 1–8 are by H. G. Mitchell.Verification log
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    Parker, Richard A., Dubberstein, Waldo H.. Babylonian Chronology 626 B.C.–A.D. 45 (SAOC 24). University of Chicago Press (Oriental Institute). archive.orgClaim checkedAcademic monographRead through the Internet Archive OCR text of the Oriental Institute PDF; OCR has digit errors (e.g. "589" for 539) checked against context. The 1956 revised edition was not consulted.Verification log
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    Guzik, David. Zechariah 7 — Enduring Word Bible Commentary. Enduring Word. enduringword.comClaim checkedTheological commentaryInterpretive resource — not historical corroboration.Verification log
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    Pleiades contributors. Beitin (Bethel) — Pleiades place 260940008. Pleiades (pleiades.stoa.org). pleiades.stoa.orgClaim checkedInstitutional databaseRepresentative point read from the Pleiades JSON record: lon 35.238333, lat 31.928333. Pleiades gives the names Bethela and Bethega (certain) for Beitin.Verification log
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    Pleiades contributors. Ierusalem/Hierosolyma — Pleiades place 687928. Pleiades (pleiades.stoa.org). pleiades.stoa.orgClaim checkedInstitutional databaseRepresentative point read from the Pleiades JSON record: lon 35.234978, lat 31.7771895.Verification log
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    Keil, C. F., Martin, James (trans.). Biblical Commentary on the Twelve Minor Prophets, vol. 2 (Clark's Foreign Theological Library). T. & T. Clark, Edinburgh, 1868 (1878 printing). archive.orgClaim checkedScholarly commentaryRead through the Internet Archive OCR text.Verification log
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    Guzik, David. Zechariah 8 — Enduring Word Bible Commentary. Enduring Word. enduringword.comClaim checkedTheological commentaryInterpretive resource — not historical corroboration.Verification log
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    Driver, S. R.. The Book of Daniel (Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges). Cambridge University Press. archive.orgClaim checkedScholarly commentaryRead through the Internet Archive OCR text (Google scan).Verification log
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    Guzik, David. Daniel 9 — Enduring Word Bible Commentary. Enduring Word. enduringword.comClaim checkedTheological commentaryInterpretive resource — not historical corroboration.Verification log
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    Guzik, David. 2 Chronicles 36 — Enduring Word Bible Commentary. Enduring Word. enduringword.comClaim checkedTheological commentaryInterpretive resource — not historical corroboration.Verification log